all politics. sad. that is all the time we have left this evening, thank you for being with us cared let not your heart be troubled, the news continues, laura ingraham is next, and we back here on monday. ♪ >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, and there's a "the ingraham angle" tonight from washington. president trump is once again highlighting the real crisis at our border, and the need for a wall. as democrats show no sign of working with him or compromising. it to this end of getting the government back in operation. at least 25% of it. jorge ramos says the wall is a symbol of hate and racism. i will debate him exclusively in moments. then i'm going to talk to two people on the front lines of this crisis about the challenges they confront daily, the real. you have to check this out, this is a california tv station that says it was snubbed by cnn because of their honest reports

on the border wall, meaning the kusi, and the reporter at the center of the controversy will join us exclusively without a story, cnn did respond. we will bring up story to you. plus, flying the family skies. it could get a little bit more expensive, as one airline is encouraging tipping, and while "the sopranos" turned 20, it's creative is revealing new details about the ending that backs to so many. raymond arroyo has a it all in friday follies. plus, president trump raising the crisis at the border with strongest language yet. a border security roundtable, and he insist that congress step up and fund the wall now. >> president trump: federal employees we are talking about, many of them agree with what i'm saying. and what the people in this room, who are experts, are

saying. they don't want to see people killed because we can't do a simple border structure. and i appreciate their incredible support. congress should do this. this is too simple. it is too basic. and congress should do this. if they can't do it, if at some point they just can't do it, this is a 15 minute meeting. if they can't do it, i will declare a national emergency. i have the absolute right to do it. >> laura: despite that, the liberal media says, well, they are not backing down. from their own opposition, a wall, border fence, whatever you want to call it, jorge ramos, an old friend, writes in a new op-ed "mr. trump's wall is a symbol of hate and racism, and it would be completely useless. it doesn't address any national emergency." jorge joins me now, great to see you, jorge, we have a bit of a delay, so everybody has to bear with each other. border patrol agents, including president obama's border patrol

chief, said walls work. that is what they are saying. it is not a matter of hate, but protecting americans. some more don't die at the hands of people who are here illegally and that it keeps those who are trying to cross the border safe from trafficking and all of the other things that befall them. what is racist, jorge, about protecting innocent people, both on the other side of the border, and those who are here in the united states? >> i will get to that, let me first address about the wall being completely useless. 45% of immigrants coming to this country come by plane or with a visa, so a wall would be completely useless. there is no national emergency. a national emergency was 9/11, the war in iraq, that is when most of the 700 miles of wall that we have right now -- that is a national emergency. what we have right now is not a national emergency. the border communities are among the safest in the country, the

number of arrests are among the lowest in the last 20 years, the undocumented population has remained stable for the last -- >> laura: that is not what you thought back in 2006, though, is it? 2006, "the washington post" in march, you wrote the following "every minute an immigrant crosses the border illegally, and that i agree, is an enormous threat to the united states." enormous threat is what you wrote. it is in the best interest of the united states -- >> it is 9/11, remember -- >> laura: that is your language. president obama, we will play this, basically agreed with your assessment of where the country was then, and let's hear what he had to say. >> we simply cannot allow people to pour into the united states undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully, to become immigrants in this country. >> laura: jorge, what has changed?

>> that was 9/11, that was after 9/11. nothing really hasn't changed, what we have seen is that a number of undocumented immigrants coming into this country, in the year 2000, it was more than 1 million every single year, and now we are among, we have some of the lowest numbers of arrests in the last 20 years. >> laura: jorge, we have family members crossing, children dying. we have 27,518 family members who are arrested, that is up 240% from last december. at that point, there was only 8,120 arrests of family units, that is including little children being dragged across the desert. how is that good? >> what i am saying, this is a crisis created, also, by president trump. we have right now thousands and thousands of families at -- >> laura: i thought it wasn't a crisis, now you are saying -- >> who are trying to apply for political asylum. because of president trump's policies, only a few of them are

crossing beer and how is that not a crisis created by president trump? >> laura: so it is a crisis. >> a crisis along the border enough to merit a wall, that is exactly what i'm saying. how come, then, we have some of the safest communities on the side of the border? >> laura: a lot of people dispersed from the border. i think there is a big business in bringing people across the border, the cartels, the coyotes, millions of dollars, thousands of dollars per poor migrants. >> that is the real point, where is the crisis? >> laura: i will tell you what the crisis, one figure. you follow all of this, and you report on so much of this daily, and i'm not patronizing, you are a really smart person. you've been all over the world, you have interviewed world leaders, so when these facts pop

up, this is just a texas issue, between 2011 and 2018, the texas numbers, they booked 186,000 illegal aliens for a total of 292,000 crimes. is this a crisis? 539 murders, 32,000 assaults, including 3,426 assaults, almost 3,000 weapons charges. that sounds like a crisis to me. >> is not a crisis. the people, the immigrants who commit crimes do not represent the vast majority of immigrants. you and i know perfectly well, and your audience knows perfectly well, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes. immigrants are less likely to be behind bars. >> laura: that is conflating illegal and legal, though. >> even on documented immigrants at -- >> laura: i want legal immigration. >> nobody wants undocumented

immigrants. not even undocumented immigrants. that is the only way to solve this problem, but just to create a crisis to spend $5 billion on a wall that we don't need, it is completely absurd. >> laura: right. what about the families? >> that is what is happening right now. you are criticism of your colleagues is simply because he needs to deliver on a wall that might not be billed before 2020. >> laura: that is a nice thought, we have all of this influence. however, real people are suffering badly. i spend, as you know, a lot of time in central america, guatemala, el salvador, not so much in mexico, but central america. i know it really well. there is an enormous amount of suffering, and enormous amount of corruption. there is also an enormous amount of suffering in the united states, i want to play, this is a family who joined us last night, their son pierce was killed about a week or so ago, hit by an illegal immigrant

driver head on. let's watch them. >> this is our son. this is pierce corcoran. he is dead. his death is real. his death is real, it is not fabricated, and he died at the hands of an illegal immigrant. >> laura: those families feel like they are in crisis. if i lost a child, i couldn't even get up in the morning. i don't know how parents can even, whether it is by gunshot or by kidnapping, whatever it is, this is happening, and it has happened repeatedly, not just murder, dui, all sorts of other things. it is a family crisis for a lot of people come and a lot of people suffering, jorge, our legal hispanic immigrants. they are suffering. >> i do understand, and i cannot even imagine, as a father, i cannot even imagine the pain that they are suffering because of the loss. i really cannot even imagine that. we cannot generalize, and that is a problem, we cannot criminalize all of the

undocumented immigrants for what one person did, or what a few people did. we cannot do that. this is exactly what president trump is doing in his last speech, criminalized all immigrants, creating this fear, making sure people, unless we do something, build his wall, things are going to change. of course i cannot condone what happened to that family, of course not, but we have to understand that what happened in that incident does not represent the vast majority of immigrants in this country. >> laura: of course not, not everybody in the neighborhood where there is gang activity is guilty of gang activity, but the gang members have to be punished, and you have to look at overall policing priorities to see if they are actually putting the resources in the neighborhood. it is a bit of a false dichotomy to analyze by that. people who do know a lot more than i do, and probably more than you do, who are only border, do assess the situation i daily basis. mark napier, he has the sheriff,

a big border town and border area in arizona, he said the following, very interesting interview, let's watch. >> is a public safety crisis, not only from drug trafficking, but human trafficking, the victimization of migrants at coyotes is an underlying issue appear there is an underlying national security concern here. more cocaine is coming into this country, we are having overdoses every day, not about the president being dramatic, that is happening in my community. i know this is true. >> laura: what about the drugs, i've talked a lot about china sending fentanyl here, and what a scooter gennett is. but what about the drug cartels that are using these pathways for illegal narcotics. >> i'm glad you mention that can what he was saying is false. of course we have a problem with drugs, but guess what, most of the once we get in this country

are legal points of entry, not throughout the border. again, president trump and many people are trying to create the idea that all of these drugs are coming along the u.s./mexico border, through legal points of entry. >> laura: cartels aren't showing up and saying high matt, i'm here -- >> you have more than 28 million americans using illegal drugs, this is the largest market -- >> laura: your blaming americans? >> they are going to be sending them. along the border we have some of the safest communities. what he is saying is true, how come come out of the nine members of congress who represent districts along the u.s.-mexico border, how come not a single one of them, not a single one of them, support the wall that the president trump is asking -- >> laura: i think there is been a huge graphic change. >> >> saying don't support this. >> laura: that is a fair point. the demography has changed, but the people dispersed, it is not

like all 12 million people live in the border towns, they dispersed to north carolina, fairfax county virginia, all over the country. one other statistic, though, jorge. >> really sick communities. >> laura: i'm not sure if a lot of people in our business live in mcallen, texas, on a daily basis, a lot of great people, and a lot of border communities, but other facts that are relevant. i want to close with one. this is a statistic from our federal prisons today. illegal immigrants, let's say they are anywhere from seven to 12 million people, it's unclear, we don't have a good number, but 23% of federal inmates are illegal immigrants. committing a wide variety of crimes, not just entry, multiple entries, these are violent crimes. 23%? and we don't need to do a better job -- these aren't students overstaying their visas, these are people crossing our borders. >> the hispanic population is

about 20%, most of undocumented immigrants coming into this country are still latino, so 23%, i have to check the numbers you are telling me -- >> laura: dhf. >> a response to the percentage of latinos in the population. the important thing for me tonight is to say there is no crisis, it is a manufactured crisis by president trump. he is afraid of you, he is afraid of fox news, he wants to spend $5 million for a while we don't need. >> laura: let's say trump says i'm going to give amnesty to all 12 million illegal immigrants in the united states, you are going to give me the money for the wall, you are still against the wall? >> let me quote former congressman, he said -- >> laura: come on, you are going to play here? >> ransom for a kidnapping. >> laura: kidnapping? a lot of kidnappings by illegals -- >> the wall has become a racist assemble. when he had a wall that has

become a racist symbol, it is very difficult for anyone -- >> laura: jorge, you are so much better than that. people have walls, walls have existed throughout time. okay? a wall that has a door so you know who is coming in and who is leaving, that is a wall that exists, so we don't hate everybody on the other side. we love our own people and want to welcoming people in an organ orderly fashion. but this does not appear jorge, i love having you on. >> it is a racist assemble, when president trump said that mexican immigrants were criminals and rapists. >> laura: we can't recreate the wheel. are all walls around the houses of democrats and tech titans, are those racist, too? only this before wall? >> the wall is a race it is symbol. >> laura: thank you, jorge peer now, respond, on the front

lines, vice president of the national water's border patrol council, it also ravaged by drugs coming across the border. we are going to get right to it, we went along with jorge. hector, let's start with you, you heard what jorge said. border communities are the safest, and a lot of border patrol agents say a wall is absolutely not needed. your response? >> first of all, jorge ramos does not to present the views of hispanic communities. he likes to go on shows and talk for hispanics and latinos in the united states, he does not represent our views. he represents himself. as border patrol agents, 52% of hispanics in the workforce, and we do support a barrier. we are asking for help, for the safety of the american people and for the safety of our border patrol agents. >> laura: sheriff, let's get to you. it is always hard when you're trying to talk to someone or debate to someone who just says,

right off the bat, this is racist. there is nowhere to go with the argument. i actually do like debating people on things, because i think you can find common ground, you can agree to basic facts. but right off the bat, the wall is called a racist, there is nothing you can do, nothing you can say. what do you say, with your own experience, in our community, about what illegal immigration has done to the people, the businesses, the crime rate? >> first of all, i'm next door to el paso county, and when you hear these politicians get up there and talk about, metropolitan areas are safe along the border, they are safe because there are walls, fences built there. the overflow of that is what we have to deal with. when you get representative from el paso saying the wall, we don't need the wall, they don't, because they've already got the wall in their communities. it is the outer lying to deal with it. you bring up the issue on the

wall on the entire southwestern border, in some places, it is going to be a good idea, and at some places it is going to work, but there are areas that the southwest border that is virtually impossible to put a fence up. you get to the big mountains, the canyons, stuff like that -- >> laura: the president has never said put them in the mountains, the rio grande river, excuse me for putting you in pima county, obviously i knew where hudspeth is. we were referencing another sheriff earlier. the thing about this, but i don't understand, just a few years ago, pretty much everybody agreed we needed to do something here, but now, because president trump is in office, it is not barack obama, president trump is in office, it is not bill clinton, who did operation gatekeeper, i was down there reporting on it back in 1996 in san diego. they all knew that was working, guys. so what the heck has changed, hector, a lot of family units crossing the border, drug

cartels further enriched by the scam at the border. >> back in 2015, jorge ramos went to texas, and i gave him a border tour. jorge ramos called it a humanitarian crisis ongoing at the border, and things are really bad nowadays with the caravans. we have this big caravan, at the border in tijuana, another in central america forming already, but people not reporting that we have a silent caravan that has been coming through the rio grande valley in south texas, and where our agents are apprehending everywhere from 500 to 1,000 illegal immigrants per day. what is happening with all those illegal immigrants, we are catching a lot of dangerous drugs and a lot of dangerous criminals. president trump did not say that all migrants were murderers and rapists, but as border control agents, we arrest many with criminal histories, that are murderers and kidnappers and commit serious crimes. texas has done an amazing job in keeping those statistics, talking about that yesterday in

texas. >> laura: sheriff, finally with you, i throughout the statistics that are shocking between 2011 and the most recent year, 2018. shocking. how many crimes have been committed. a lot of these are repeat offenders, sheriff. i'm glad jorge came on the show, but he seemed to blow that all off as they are not representative, but it is thousands and thousands of crimes. >> hector is absolutely right. we deal with this on a daily basis when it comes through here. on the same token, what about the immigrants coming across -- for example -- in the desert. the immigrants that are coming across the border out there, we are picking up dead bodies pretty regularly. we picked up one morning this past year than we ever have, because they get out in the desert, the coyotes leave them to defend for themselves, and of dying out there. where is ramos on that? hector is right, we are seeing more criminal aliens that have

committed criminal crimes, committed crimes in the past, that are repeat offenders, coming back into the country. >> laura: we have children diane, adult diane, american citizens dying, and we have an environment a situation, diseases, and cabins come on the other side of the border, doctors are documenting that -- how someone doesn't call this a crisis, for the life of me, i don't understand that. he both gave important perspective tonight, we appreciate it there thank you so much beard coming up, tipping flight attendants and paulie walnuts, now in the friday foll at booking.com, we can't guarantee you'll find gold on your wild west vacation... but we can guarantee the best price on that thar rental cabin or any hotel, home, boat, yurt, whatever. ♪ just don't get carried away with the wild west thing. hey guys. get the best price on homes, hotels and so much more. booking.com, booking.yeah

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>> laura: what is this with a tape in? we can't even get a package of peanuts anymore, but you have to tip folks? >> >> they are instituting this policy where, when you order drinks, beverages, snacks, you can tip the attendants. i realize flight attendants, they do a lot for us, as you mentioned. >> laura: especially on frontier. >> they deal with ornery passengers like this. >> you do that to me and i will knock you flat. [shouting] >> i don't care the story. >> laura: one too many jack and cokes. they perform in coordinated safety demonstrations. ♪ >> to fashion, push together. >> laura, some even do a full

floor show, like this guy. >> any time you are seated. this aircraft has six emergency exits, two forward exit doors... >> they do chores, they danced, they go through a lot. you and i see what they do in the air. however, the airlines have now charged us for, what was once given to you, your bags, your snacks, pretty soon we are going to have to drop orders in tiny toilets to get in. i don't like this. i think they are bleeding the passengers, and they are already charging so much for these flights. the flight attendant had come for free. >> laura: with all of the money they have made, the airlines in recent years, i have an idea. give your people more of a raise. we are paying a model for air transportation. the flight attendants, i like tipping bigot, it is a good

thing, big tippers, you get it back on not only the -- >> some do. this marks the 20th anniversary of "the sopranos." it is easily the most influential and groundbreaking series of the last 40 years or so. the cost reacquainted reunitedd the creator, david chase, spilled the beans on the mysterious ending. tony soprano took his family to a diner, and the screen went black beauty tells writers in a new book "the soprano sessions," "i think i had a death scene around two years before the end. i'm a member talking with sopranos writer and executive producer about it, but it was slightly different. tony was going to be called to a meeting with johnny sack inman hammett, going to go back to the lincoln tunnel for this meeting, and it was going to block their iq never saw him again as he was heading back, the theory being that something that happens to him at the meeting. but we didn't do that." what they did do is go to black

in the diner. it is clear he envisioned a death scene. so the mystery has been solved. >> laura: you know the song that was playing? >> "don't stop thinking about tomorrow," right? >> laura: a lot of people criticize the ending. >> because it was kind of an odd ending. "don't stop believing," that's right. >> laura: one of the greatest ever. >> your seybert scene in "the sopranos"? >> laura: the greatest series ever -- >> we love the series. >> laura: everybody want to copy it, none of them can, nobody can. david chase is brilliant, and nobody wanted it, by the way. hbo finally took it. my favorite scene is when christopher, the nephew, got into some trouble with some drugs and some booze, so paulie walnuts and company had to take matters into their own hands. it is called the intervention. >> we are here to talk about you killing yourself with drugs. not my [bleep] personality. i'm going to kill myself?

the way you are going to head how checked by the time you are 50? >> you are talking to the boss here. >> maxim [bleep] sense into you." >> laura: no, no, we need the chair. the chair over his head. they left all that stuff out. >> you and i have a similar taste and humor. my favorite is in the first season, dropping a friend off at her house. this was classic. >> >> forgot to put the car in reverse, and ran her friend over. >> laura: i think she did it just the way she wanted to. >> laura: the series was great, and it sustains people still, thinking about it. a lot of body stuff, but why? another point. >> it was a family drama, the

first time they put the mom in the setting of a family drama, for men and women, which david chase brilliantly conceived beer than the hunting moments never explained, laura, like this, paulie walnuts going into the strip club, and there, on the bar, is the virgin mary. he looks, he sees her, and that he never sees her again. it is grace in the midst of this sin. the wages of sin and death, we saw a lot of death in the series. hbo did a thing, anyone who tweeted their account, they offered at mobster nicknames too. what we should give each other at mobster nicknames. >> laura: i'm trying to make a play on words. you are no ray romano -- arroyo. i say no ray. raymond's milky white complexion, it looks more red on tv, but it is white. he has no wrinkles, he is a

stone rain, no wrinkles -- yes you are. a ray of sunshine comes through when you're outside at a lunch or something, raymond is like, we have to go inside, it is hot now. >> the son is your enemy, ladies. my nickname for laura, vinnie the bull, johnny the neck, how about laura the mouth? the perfect mobster nickname. >> laura: my enemies will love it, thank you. >> why do all of the old italians talk like this. >> laura: i don't know, but i love it. on tuesday, a big, big day. the laura ingraham podcast, raymond is my partner in crime, is going to be a series of episodes throughout the week, all you go to podcast 1, it is going to be culture, family, relationships, fun, i think you are going to learn and laugh a lot during this podcast. it is going to be really fun.

it all starts on tuesday, go to podcast one, itunes, apple, itunes podcast, easy to find, it is going to be a lot of fun. tuesday, the fun begins. the arbiter is next, two lawyers make their case on site right here, i have the gavel. on the docket tonight, sorority's doing for the light no mike wright to what? and a family fights back after being called ugly. here comes the judge next.

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♪ >> laura: it's time for "the arbiter" ." yeah, courts in session where two attorneys argue a case and i make a final ruling. thth is a really big at gavel, bigger than nancy's beard joined me is gail trotter, spokesman for the judicial crisis network, and are behind, former prosecutor, thank you both are being here tonight, great to have you both on. this is a really interesting case, a latina sorority at uva was suspended -- was a drinking? they were suspended after the school said they were hazing members. not the alcohol thing, not by beating them, but by requiring the would be sorority sisters to study for more than 25 hours per week or the sorority is fighting back, they launched a federal lawsuit to the university for violating first amendment

rights. those are the facts. there is an operative state statute which we will put up on the screen. in part, it said, it shall be unlawful to haze so as to cause bodily injury, any student, any college or university, any person found guilty a class one misdemeanor. for the purposes of the statute, it includes intentionally endangering the health or safety of a student or students or inflicting bodily injury on a student or students in connection with the purpose of the initiation, it goes on and on, but that is the operative language. >> i'm a proud graduate of mr. jefferson's university -- >> laura: i am come too, law school but not undergrad. >> i think this case is a complete embarrassment to uva. we are talking what anti-hazing statute, and it doesn't apply, it is not even close in this case, because it talks about instances where a student organization endangers the health or safety of a student. for any uva administrator to say

that studying 25 hours a week when you are a college student endangers the health or safety of a student, is just inconceivable. it is unbelievable that any administrator in the situation would think that, and if so, then they clearly did not study enough when they went to college, or they wouldn't indulge in this right to stupidity. >> laura: i needed someone to make me study 25 hours a week. debbie. >> i didn't go to uva, but i am a proud member of a sorority. what i would say, under my personal opinion, if i were defending uva, it is kind of a case of 90% -- 99% versus 1%, meaning i think 99% of the cases, there wouldn't be any emotional or mental, any physical harm -- not like there will be physical as opposed to emotional. but there are students who have emotional or mental issues that are attending college, for which this requirement would be an

endangerment to their well-bein well-being. obviously, for the vast majority of students, it wouldn't be, but the university has an obligation and duty to protect all of its students, not just the vast majority. >> laura: hazing means to recklessly or intentionally endanger the health of these pledges. rebuttal. >> studying is what you are college to do. if you are a full-time employed, you are working 40 hours a week, and even if you take into account going to class, you add that to 25 hours of studying, that is way under -- >> laura: debbie, your is no market response? >> i'm not saying it is excessive, but i'm saying there are students who come from environments, and unstructured environment, and it is unstructured for that reason, that some of them can't cope. >> laura: my ruling in this case, and i have to say it is not even close, is for ms. trotter. there could be kids who don't want to study, and for them, it

is not reckless endangerment, i don't think i would make that case peered onto the next case, it is a lawsuit, suing lifetimek after they used the holiday card and a christmas movie without permission. an actor and they will be put up the picture and made this comment. watch. >> please don't put those up, they ruined the whole aesthetic of the play spirit >> they are festive. >> they are ugly. >> laura: the photo is in the background, it is an ugly picture, what is the deal? >> if it was your family, a rich, powerful corporation was targeting you in this way, not only do they not have a legal right to have that prominently and conspicuously displayed in their movies, but they also make this disparaging comment about this beautiful family with the mother, father, child, and they had no right to include that,

and certainly it was disparaging of the family. >> laura: debbie, real quick? >> there is an expectation of privacy. he found out that privacy is everywhere, if that was on social media, that is how lifetime found it, it is not any expectation of privacy that a family had. they would be clear out of luck. >> laura: ruling, debbie wins that one, because i believe that was on one of the social media websites, i think expectation of privacy diminished. we need to know more, and they will find out more in the case to argue it to, the operative language of the internal contracts matter, but right now, i give it to debbie. great segment, thanks so much. up next, lessons and leadership on the 30th anniversary of ronald reagan's farewell address, crack surely will be w. and a california tv reporter who says he was snubbed by cnn because of his honest reporting at the border. and that's next.

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>> laura: as president trump headed to the texas border yesterday, cnn hoped they would be able to catch him in a lie and prove there isn't a crisis at all peered so i san diego tv sees stations had cnn reached out for help with the expose. the network was apparently not happy, he reported that kes, u,

i >> of the debate on a shutdown, cnn asked if kusi i would provide a report or to offer our local view of the debate. especially to learn if the wall worked in san diego. kusi i offered our own reporter who has reported many times the wall is not an issue here. in fact, most officials it is effective. the issue we face is the migrants and the debate over their treatment. knowing this, cnn declined to have us on their program, which often present the wall as not required in other places like the stretch of the texas border the president visited earlier today. they didn't like what they heard from us. >> just some background for you. >> laura: james earl jones needs to get his voice-over bac back. joining me now, exclusively, kusi i reporter dan plante, who does a great job reporting for a long time. what can you tell me about the discussion you had with cnn, and did they explain their sudden lack of interest in working with

you? >> they actually did a response, and good evening, by the way, how you doing? >> laura: great to see you. >> from san diego, america's finest city. here's what happened, in the news department, we talk about what we will do for the day, new local news, national news. the only affiliate we have is a cnn, we are an independent, family-owned station here in san diego. that likes to tell the truth. when they called up and said we would like one of your reporters to fill any gaps, we are doing a story about how the border wall really doesn't work and are not that effective. we got back to them, we said we would love to do a little talk back with you because i'm the reporter on the border, i've been there for many, many years, as you know, and made friends with a lot of the border patrol agents, personal friends at this point. but when we called back and said, look, more than happy to provide dan plante for you, but he is going to tell you with the border patrol agents tell him, that is that border walls work. >> laura: you actually interview people, it cuts against the narrative that cnn

is putting out there, that the border wall is basically racist, doesn't work, a waste of money, no one wants it. it worked at imperial beach, san diego, that whole area change for the better ones that significant barrier went up. but they said today in a response, and i should read it to be fair, it said "we called several local stations to book someone for a show. we didn't end up booking any of them, this happens many times a day, but we did book a reporter from kusi for a story on immigration, and the border wall in november. this is a nonstory. #factsfirst. "quick sum up? >> the quick summary as we were saying things they didn't want to hear, we were telling them the truth. what we were going to tell them was these things work, and from our experience here, being up 20 years here in san diego as a news reporter, covering many, many border stories down there, talking to the people who work on the border, that the border fence is work. that is not the narrative that they wanted to hear.

>> laura: thank you for doing a report income and frankly, i don't believe cnn's explanation on this. >> we are just want to tell the truth, laura. no agenda here. >> laura: thanks so much for being here. >> i've spoken into the shining city all of my political life, but i don't know if i ever quite communicated what i saw when i said it. in my mind, it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, god blessed, and to teeming with people of all kinds, living in harmony and peace. a city with ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. and if it had to be city walls, the walls had doors, and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. >> laura: president reagan, wow. today's mark the 30th anniversary of his farewell address to the nation. he mentions a few things and that address that our nation and lawmakers should keep in mind. here to explain, craig shirley,

presidential historian, biographer extraordinaire. hearing the president speak of walls, and if it has to have a wall, it has to have a big door, so many people have seized on that part of his farewell address and said -- c, reagan would be for mass migration, against what trump is doing, he didn't really like the idea of a wall. what about that? >> you know, laura, there are some things that are moral impossibilities, and the idea that ronald reagan would endorse lawlessness is one of those things. it is a moral impossibility. when he was talking about those walls, that city, that was 30 years ago. he was referring to people who were fleeing communist oppression in southeast asian, cuba, nicaragua, el salvador, many of the people who are coming here, those were political refugees who are quite different from economic refugees that are crossing the border

every day. you are comparing oranges and lemons here. the refugees of the 1980s -- >> laura: different from the economic refugees of today, it is a completely different dynamic and different world. he talked in the speech a lot about young people, and they need to educate young people. let's watch. >> very directly what it means to be an american. we absorb in the area you'd love of country, younger parents, ambivalent appreciation of america, the right thing to teach modern children. we have to teach history, based not on what is in fashion, but what is important. why the pilgrims came here, who jimmy doolittle was, and what those 30 seconds over tokyo meant. if we forget what we did, we won't know who we are. >> laura: oh, my gosh, craig, what i hear that, what would he have thought about tearing down

statues, calling the framers racist, all of the things you hear kids coming out of universities today? >> he would have been appalled at the tearing down of statues and the ignorance widespread in public schools today. part of reagan's appeal, a lot of his appeal was that he spoke to young americans, he spoke about opportunity in the future. when he was reelected in 1984, he got 50% of the overall vote, but 65% of the under 30 vote. what when he left office in jany of '89, overall approval was 60%, under 30, it was 77% among voters under 30. some of his most important policy speech is given on college campuses in eureka, notre dame, george washington university, others. he was the last president since john kennedy who could go to american college campuses without fear of protest or reprisals. >> laura: barack obama didn't have much trouble on college

campuses, but certainly the last republican president. george bush could go. >> we are talking about reagan tonight. obama is an exception, but we are talking about reagan tonight. >> laura: craig, it is a day that i remember very well. both of the reagan revolution generation, and i like how he said all in all, not bad. basically, we did a pretty good job. always underselling himself and what was accomplished. humility was such a big part of who reagan was, and i think we can all use a dose of humility, myself included. thank you so much for joining us tonight, brief, but on the podcast next week, you can hear an extended analysis of why that speech wasn't so important on what it says about today's politics. coming up, the house democrats latest smelly stunt. thatatatatat daddy diaper duty... i can't say it's the highlight of fatherhood. but i'd rather be here with my little man than not be here because of migraine.

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>> time for the last bite, house democrats have nothing better to do than stage political stunts, this time he delivered trash from a national park to the white house. >> what we need is for donald trump to wake up and smell the coffee cups and diapers and the reader rappers and trash that is piling up and soon there will be enough of it to build a wall perhaps.

>> good to see democrats are getting creative about building the wall and finally found gainful employment. maybe they can help out the custodial staff. shannon bream and the fox news at night team, take it from here. >> fox news alert, minutes away from the record books, it will be the longest partial shutdown in history. what is different this time is how far we are from any resolution, not that there isn't hope. democrats and republicans did get together to pay back government workers at some point. in a week that the president guaranteed a grand dog and involving a national emergency either of which could have ended the impasse, he has backtracked from both possibilities with congress tracked its way out of town, everyone has gone home for the weekend.